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Re: chicken in America: from Asia? (cont.)

GKeyes6988 (gkeyes6988@aol.com) wrote:
: Yuri wrote:

: Yuri re-replied:  : >And where did the Asian chickens get to the
Caribbean from? Methinks : >you're obfuscating. If they were in the
Caribbean, they MUST HAVE BEEN in : >S. America before then. So the
evidence for the Caribbean is even : STRONGER : >than the evidence for S.
America that you asked for. 

: Not true.  Why do you assume that the chickens could only have reached the
: Carribean overland (and then oversea) from South America (and yet never
: reaching Central America, bu Carter's own admission)? 

Well, the Caribbean islands are very close to S. America.

: Yuri, there were
: boats going EVERYWHERE, all the time in this two hundred years.  Boats
: going from Europe to Asia to South America, from Asia to Europe to South
: America, from Asia around the cape and up to the Carribean -- and back!. 

The latter was not a common route. Usually, (coming from Asia) they
unloaded in Mexico, and the goods were transferred overland and then
taken to Europe.

I do not think it likely that the boats would come across the Pacific
from Asia directly to the Caribbean. If you know of such cases, please
enlighten us. 

: Constantly.  Every year, more than once a year.  The ships carried all
: kinds of things, especially things like chickens that the people on the
: ship could eat.

: >So? This is not the point. Did the Europeans bring Asian chickens from
: >Europe? Absurd. 

: Not absurd at all. 

Yes it is. Europe didn't have Asian chickens at the time.

: As Carter admits, Asian chickens could have easily
: come on European ships. 

So?

: You think European ships only came to the
: Carribean via Europe? 

This would be absurd. I don't believe this.

: In the sixteenth, seventeenth, and eighteenth
: centuries?  Thinking that is the absurdity. 

        ...

: : Capa is a scholar writing in the early part of the
: : 20th century. Almost has far removed from the situation we are.

[Yuri:]
: >But having access to unique and original sources.

: What sources were these? 

Archival sources, Greg.

: Unique usually means that there is only one such : source, or that this
source has some singular quality.  Original implies : that these sources
are either unlike others or are germinal in some way.  : Your net
implication seems to be that he had sources that we do not.  If : this is
not what you mean, then what do you mean?

: What sources did he have that we do not?

I'm glad to be able to clarify this for you, Greg. Capa went to the
colonial archives and raised obscure eyewitness accounts.

This is what happened. If you get a big grant, you can do the same, I
suppose.

Yuri.
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