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Re: You Want Evidence of Contact? Here It Is.....


According to your quote below, those nasty theoretical words of "would"
"should" and "could" keep raising their ugly heads.  Who knows what
happened to your ALLEGED visitors?  Perhaps they were shoulda, coulda,
woulda gotten eaten but we can't find the bones.

When you wish upon a star....You know how it ends....Your wild theories
come true.  Right Walt Disney?

If you would just stop trying to twist theories into facts without saying
"Rumplestilksin", we lowly science types would quit hitting on you. When
you try to convince me some people at the clan level came to the new world,
which at that time was at the high civilization level, and try to convince
me they altered the course of history, I have to laugh.

The Aztecs had a word for these kinds of peoples.  They called them
Chichimecas, the uncivilized ones.   How uncivilized were these dog men? 
Well, we know them as Apaches, Comanches and possibly Navahos.  Do you
think your clan culture types were superior to those three cultures?  If
anything, your visitors were less cultured than people the Aztecs called
dogs.   And, they would have been treated as such.  Look at the reaction of
the Inca (not the people, the sun god) to Pizarro and his men.  He thought
they were trash and unworthy of attention.  Sure, big mistake, but that's
how the high cultures of the Americas treated the rest of the known world. 
Kinda like the way my country, the United States, seems to act on occasion.
 We'll buy your cars and marry your women and let you live in our cities,
but that's where we draw the line.  This is OUR world.  Make no mistake
about it.  The high civilizations of the Americas were even more conceited.
 That was one of their inherent weaknesses which the Spanish capitalized

Paul Pettennude

Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@io.org> wrote in article <583n74$g2p@news1.io.org>...
> frankzappy@aol.com wrote:
> : The god king then leans over to whisper instuctions to his Chief of
> Staff.  :  The Africans, sensing that all has not gone well with their
> generous : offering anxiously start looking for more gifts for the king. 
> One of the : Africans, desperate to appease the ruler, reaches into his
> provision bag : and pulls out - a sweet potato and a Chinese cook book;
> in Shang, of : course!  Little realizing that, years later, this very act
> would cause : much heated debate in a far off country called "Newgroup." 
> Group,
> I think some modern false myths are being propagated here. Would you like
> an objective view of an informed historian? 
> MAN ACROSS THE SEA includes the following in the article by S. Jett (p.
> 16):
> "Antidiffusionists ... often contend that a boatload of a few individuals
> landing on the American coast would almost certainly have been killed or
> made slaves ... . Such a reception was undoubtedly met at times, but
> there is no reason to assume that this was always the case; de Vaca's
> experience was very much to the contrary: "Such [hospitable reception]
> was indeed almost always the case in the New World and continued to be
> true until the natives were abused and dispossessed"" (Sauer, 1968: 185) 
> Regards,
> Yuri.
>             =O=    Yuri Kuchinsky in Toronto    =O=
>   --- a webpage like any other...  http://www.io.org/~yuku ---
> It matters [whether Monte Alban ceramics reflect Chinese art forms]
> because questions of human inventiveness and the nature of human
> freedom are involved, and these are pivotal for the understanding of
> humans everywhere.  D. Frazer, THEORETICAL ISSUES IN THE TRANS-
> PACIFIC CONTROVERSY, Social Research, 32 (1965) p. 453, as quoted by
> J. Needham.